Loma Linda University Human Testing

admin · 02-07-09 5:31 am

Have any of you heard of this: <a href="http://www.ewg.org/node/19383" target=_top>http://www.ewg.org/node/19383</a> ? I never have. This seems awfully weird and hypocritical of the university.

george · 02-07-09 6:25 am

That's in line with the church sanctioned White Coat Operation conducted by the army in the 60s and 70s. My husband participated in that and was able to avoid being sent to Vietnam.

admin · 02-07-09 10:21 am

Except this had nothing to do with war since it happened only 6-7 years ago.

don · 02-07-09 10:27 am

More Documents Ryan, thanks for the link. The Environmental Working Group (EWG) is to be commended especially for providing images of the research documents. Note that the date of their letter to LLU's president Behrens is November, 2000. I think this is the report of the study EWG opposed. Note that Anthony Firek, the one whose name appears on page one of the EWG's LLU's documents, is on this list. His location on the list indicates his (LLU's) relative status in the study. The report was published in the year 2006.<blockquote><a href="http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/91/7/2721" target="_blank">Effects of Six Months of Daily Low-Dose Perchlorate Exposure on Thyroid Function in Healthy Volunteers</a> (free abstract) Lewis E. Braverman, Elizabeth N. Pearce, Xuemei He, Sam Pino, Mara Seeley, Barbara Beck, Barbarajean Magnani, Benjamin C. Blount and Anthony Firek Institutions listed as involved in this study:<ul><li><a href="http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/91/7/2721" target="_blank">Boston University Medical Center</a>, and Department of Laboratory Medicine (B.M.)(2006), <LI>National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Georgia 30333; and <LI>Jerry L. Pettis Memorial Veterans Administration Medical Center (A.F.), Loma Linda, California 92357</li></ul></blockquote>Another similar study on 14 volunteers was reported by the Oregon Health and Science University, Portland, Oregon in 2002.<blockquote><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12204829?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=3&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed" target="_blank">Health effects assessment for environmental perchlorate contamination: the dose response for inhibition of thyroidal radioiodine uptake in humans.</a> (free abstract)</blockquote>Ethical Concerns of the EWG:<ul><li>Lockheed Martin, the polluter, is paying for the study. <LI>LLU students will probably volunteer.</li></ul>Questions<ol><li>Is it inappropriate for the one causing the pollution to do research on that pollution? <LI>The Portland study gave drinking water with measured amounts of perchlorate to their 14 volunteers. In the year 2000, was it known that Perchlorate inhibited the thyroid gland's iodine uptake. If so, is it ethical to conduct studies on volunteers if we know they will be damaged by the substance studied? <LI>Did the EWG write letters to the other entities involved? <LI>Does the CDC's involvement lessen our ethical concerns?</li></ol> .

maggie · 02-07-09 12:53 pm

I discussed this several times on the old atomorrow forum. <a href="http://www.atomorrow.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=14372&post=90106#POST90106" target="_blank">http://www.atomorrow.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?t pc=14372&post=90106#POST90106</a> Just because Big Business wants to test toxins on human beings, does the SDA church have to take part? Testing pesticides on children - EPA: <a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/NoCheers/" target="_blank">http://www.petitiononline.com/NoCheers/</a> Does the fact the EPA is involved make it OK? The government is in bed with Big Business. Should the church be? (Message edited by maggie on February 07, 2009)

bob_2 · 02-07-09 1:41 pm

As you read the documents behind this issue, you find mainly activist types the only ones opposing this sort of study, not the industry or academic world. Wonder why that is??? Note other means to deal with this wide spread problem of perchlorate "contamination": <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:... Check the Water Supply One thing everyone can do is to check their water supplies. A map provided by the EPA shows the location of all of the perchlorate releases as of April 2003. The Environmental Working Group (EWG) also provides a table of where top soil or ground water is contaminated by perchlorate and a table that shows sites of known perchlorate use in 36 states. As previously noted, many who live near the Colorado River are affected (about 20 million people). Install a Water Filter Those who live in areas that have been contaminated should definitely install a water filter capable of removing perchlorate, probably some type of reverse osmosis filter. These filters won’t remove all of the perchlorate, but it is best to reduce the amount of perchlorate to the extent possible. Reverse osmosis filters won’t remove things like radon from the water and are probably best combined with a carbon filter. Needless to say, those with children attending schools that use water contaminated with perchlorate should take action to demand that the schools install proper filters, too, as drinking perchlorate-contaminated water could cause developmental delays in children, according to Dr. Power. Get Sufficient Iodine Unfortunately, there is no way to remove perchlorate from contaminated vegetables, and buying organic produce doesn’t help when it comes to perchlorate. One can try to purchase vegetables that aren’t grown in areas that use contaminated water to irrigate crops, but this probably won’t be possible for the majority of people. Obviously, people can’t stop eating. However, it is absolutely essential to ensure that one’s diet has a sufficient amount of iodine to attempt to compensate for any perchlorate ingestion. Some people may wish to supplement with kelp or eat more sea vegetables, but it is best to discuss the proper dosage of any supplements with a qualified healthcare provider. ...<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <a href="http://courses.washington.edu/envh111/Student%20Articles%202008/Week%203/15_U.S.%20Food%20and%20Water%20Supply%20Poisoned%20by%20Perchlorate_Haas.pdf" target=_top>http://courses.washington.edu/envh111/Student%20Ar ticles%202008/Week%203/15_U.S.%20Food%20and%20Wate r%20Supply%20Poisoned%20by%20Perchlorate_Haas.pdf</a>

bob_2 · 02-07-09 1:49 pm

Note this source of information of some of the myths about perchlorate: Myths and Facts About Perchlorate <a href="http://www.councilonwaterquality.org/know/myths.html" target=_top>http://www.councilonwaterquality.org/know/myths.ht ml</a> Barbara Boxer, Democratic alarmist would like you to look past this information to her own attacks on the outgoing George Busch administration. Inform yourself.

maggie · 02-07-09 3:44 pm

...not the industry or academic world. Wonder why that is??? I dunno - mebbe cuz industry and the academic world have discovered <a href="http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=204906&sectioncode=26" target="_blank">The Marriage Made in Heaven</a>??? I'm jus' sayin'.... <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/6/450.gif" alt="snack">

admin · 02-07-09 7:59 pm

Funny that the Myths and Facts About Perchlorate "is supported by Lockheed Martin, Aerojet, Tronox and American Pacific Corporation." I know Lockheed was one of the companies responsible for perchlorate in some of CA's water--no wonder they want us to believe it's safe. And no wonder they support LLU's research. Bob, you're missing the point, and there might be two: 1) Is it ethical for an Adventist institution to partake in human experiments especially when such experiment involve things "known" to be toxic? In regards to that fellow's letter to LLU's president, I like this: "We find it difficult to accept that Loma Linda University could knowingly and deliberatively conclude that this outcome is consistent with a public health philosophy that endeavors to "make man whole" by emphasizing "healthful living," prevention and precaution in order to protect people from illness and disease." 2) Is it ethical for an Adventist institution to be funded/supported by a corporation and to consequently and probably become biased towards such institution? Corporations don't fund research to make themselves look bad.

bob_2 · 02-08-09 2:38 am

Ryan, I didn't see the statement you gave, maybe you can point me to it "is supported by Lockheed Martin, Aerojet, Tonox and American Pacific Corporation" and if it does, and the facts are accurate, what is wrong with that. If some of the myths point our error, why not support it?? You have jumped on the bandwagon of the activists rather than prove their "facts" wrong.

don · 02-08-09 6:34 am

what is wrong with that? Remember lawyer Ramik; hired by Adventists to render <a href="http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/documents/plagiarist.pdf" target="_blank">an opinion</a> (a pdf file) about EGW's alleged plagiarism? It seems like a good idea to have the opinion, even though it was rendered by "a hired gun." Who else would hire a lawyer to do so? It seems intuitively correct to say that Lockheed wanted a certain outcome and that all research financed by Lockheed is immediately suspect. The research must continue and peer review moves the science on this along. The same could be said if EWG had helped finance studies. Is Anthony Firek's objectivity and independence being called into question? The effect of perchlorate is certainly a public health issue. Why shouldn't LLU help investigate it? If they had received independent funding, would that make their study OK? EWG has already made a judgment on the chemical, hasn't it? They don't like the outcome and believe that it is contrary to public health? . (Message edited by Don on February 08, 2009)

bob_2 · 02-08-09 4:34 pm

If one is truly seeking the truth, and the truth has not been given accurately, does a scientific group, backed by government oversight and peer review, hava a right to explore the truth. How is this different from exploring EGW as a prophet, even though the church has touted a truth that is being doubted and explored, and found wanting, irregardless of Covenant Forum's declared stand. Hey by the way, when you come over, are you attempting to "sheep steal" or get more activity at Covenant. Just curious, since we don't fit the mold of what Covenant is attempting to do????

don · 02-08-09 5:06 pm

Bob_2 said: Hey by the way, when you come over, are you attempting to "sheep steal" or get more activity at Covenant. Just curious, since we don't fit the mold of what Covenant is attempting to do???? I joined Atomorrow mainly because you invited me to. I have weathered many challenges to my motives. I like the free and open style of atomorrow. I have learned many things and plan to continue to do so into the future. I have never heard you ask Hubb if he takes part in this forum to "steal sheep". The very phrase "sheep steal" is demeaning to the members here or there. I support both the purpose of Covenant Forum and that of Atomorrow, though they are different. I also recognize that Atomorrow provides a specific social network; Covenant Forum is intended to appeal to a different group. .

bob_2 · 02-08-09 5:16 pm

Don, I think you mistake an invite from me to an invite from Elaine. I noticed you at SDAnet long after I left, voluntarily, and you and Elaine participating together. Then you came over, not from my invite but, maybe Elaine's.

bob_2 · 02-08-09 5:18 pm

Sheep steal is what the Sunday keeping churches like to accuse SDAs of in their evangelism. Thought I might introduce a little humor, apparently very little.

don · 02-08-09 5:49 pm

Sheep steal is what the Sunday keeping churches like to accuse SDAs of in their evangelism. When I pastored in Nova Scotia, I took part in the Ministerial Association luncheons. After one such occasion, the Salvation Army lieutenant (a young bachelor) and the United Church of Canada minister (a Doctor of Divinity nearing retirement) and I remained to discuss various matters. Sheep stealing was one of the topics. Their main concern was with a Pentecostal revivalist who came to town for two or three Sundays in a row. During that time, the small Salvation Army group was decimated. The well-established and well-to-do United Church was also affected. I described the lengthy evangelistic process followed by the Adventist church where we teach people over long series of meetings. To my surprise, the United Church doctor told me that he had no problem if one of his members would join us after such a lengthy series. His concern was for the rather light, charismatic preaching they had experienced in town with the Pentecostals. .

george · 02-08-09 10:42 pm

Well Don, when we lived in Newfoundland in the seventies a SDA evangelist by the initials LL (you might recognize that) came to town and held meetings in the back room of the local motel. We had to go through the bar every night to get access to the room. He was there for a number of weeks (can't remember how many) with at least 3 meetings per week. When he was done there was a whole big group of people getting baptized (in the teens). They were all invited to attend the next Sabbath. A handful showed up and eventually only 2 or 3 were retained. Those beasts make up for any charisma the Pentecostals may exhibit.

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